Are the new Officers certified?

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By a concerned cop on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 11:32 am:

If my memory serves me correctly, the town hired a new officer named Boyden in the begining of February and then another officer soon after. Both are from out of state and would need to be Delaware certified by attending certain classes and mandatory training as per the State Council on Police Training. This usually takes several weeks to a couple of months to complete. I have heard who I believe to be one of the new officers on patrol on SUSCOM (the dispatch/radio system used by most agencies). I'm wondering if and how these officers are Delaware certified, because if they are not, this is totally illegal and opens the town to liability.

By gumshoe on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 01:31 pm:

It seems as though the OIC and the FI Council don't concern themselves too much with liability issues. It will only take one incident gone wrong and a good attorney and the citizens of FI will be paying the bill.

By Sussex Cop on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 02:51 pm:

This issue was brought to my attention by a FIPD officer a couple weeks ago. One of the newly hired officers was working the road before being Delaware certified.

The law that permitted officers to work the road prior to being certified was amended is long gone.

If in fact this did occur as pointed out by a FIPD officer, then Glen Hudson and the town council placed the residents AND other area police officers at risk by having an uncertified officer working the road.

By Sussex Cop on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 02:52 pm:

Should read:

"The law that permitted officers to work the road prior to being certified was amended AND is long gone."

So much for my proof reading skills.

By gumshoe on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 03:15 pm:

I suppose that means that Hudson and the FI Council will continue to work above the laws of the State. I'm sure that they will select a wonderful chief. I feel for the citizens of FI. Like I have stated, one incident and one good attorney.
Is the OIC leading the FI Council to slaughter or don't they care either? Hello!! Are there any intelligent life forms out there?

By Friend of Fenwick on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 08:15 pm:

If the the three of you are so informed about the law maybe you should bring this to the attention of the Attorney General in Dover......

By gumshoe on Sunday, March 30, 2003 - 08:32 pm:

If you are a friend of Fenwick, a taxpayer of Fenwick, maybe you should call the council and the OIC, out onto the carpet, at the meetings with the information that you are receiving on here. See what answers you receive from them. If you are a council member then just keep burying your head in the sand. If you are a taxpayer of FI and afraid to ask these questions at the meetings, then just pay the price, when these things happen, that we are talking about and don't complain.

By Friend of Fenwick on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 12:12 am:

To gumshoe: I am a property owner in Fenwick Island and as I said I have had contact with this new Officer. In my years in Fenwick Island it is refreshing to deal with a professional, I talked to this Officer for over a hour and I walked away with a new sense that there is a light at the end of this tunnel and there is hope for the Fenwick Island Police. If you have information that needs to be made known to the state then do your duty. If all you and the others are doing is slinging mud than grow up.

By gumshoe on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 07:07 am:

Friend of Fenwick, I'm glad for you, that you've made your selection for the Chief of Fenwick. I don't know this person you're referring to, so I can't comment on him. I think I've heard that he's nice and has over 20 years of police experience, from your previous post. That's good. There are other factors that come into play, when selecting a chief. For example, is it 20 years of experience from different departments or mainly one. I am not referring to this individual that your speaking of when I bring up the following points. Sometimes officers who frequently move from department to department can be trouble officers, and can do this over a long period of time. If a person has over 20 years at one department, I would have to find out if that person had retired in good standing. If a person has 20 years police experience at the same department, and did not retire from there, I would have to find out why. I know alot of police officers that know what to say, but don't always walk the talk. Alot of individuals could possibly fool the public and that is why there needs to be a chief's selection committee, to find these things out. Our points are, that some of FI's Council and the current OIC are possibly allowing uncertified officers to work the street and putting your tax dollars at risk, if there is any civil litigation. These same council members and OIC are going to play a part in the new chief's selection. If I was a resident, believe me I'd speak up at the meetings.
Mud slinging, I'm not. I'm asking residents to look at past histories in the area, of the OIC and some of the council's choices and decisions on matters.
As far as me growing up, I am. I can see by the way that you have responded, that you appear to lack knowledge in the field of law enforcement and also seem to be slightly naive.

By Sussex Cop on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 10:00 am:

Friend of Fenwick,

It is YOUR responsiblity as a property or business owner of Fenwick Island to contact the Attornery General's Office. The citizens of Fenwick have obviously failed to take appropriate corrective actions within their local government thus far. If proper measures had been taken, the existing council members (less Mrs. Carmean) and Glen Hudson would have been removed from office some time ago.

Area police officers have been posting valuable information on here for months, giving Fenwick citizens some foundation to work with regarding problems within FIPD. The public has been blind for the last DECADE of local police operations and administration in Fenwick. Overall, not much has been corrected except the removal of the Chief of Police. An unlawfully hired OIC remains in place making the EXACT same mistakes and poor decisions that has been tradition at FIPD. The citizens of Fenwick and neighboring police departments share in the suffering of the resulting problems.

And yes, we are well informed of the law. As police officers in Delaware we are required to be extremely familiar with law, amendments and pending bills. We are also required to act as prosecutors for the State in certain courts (such as Justice of the Peace and Alderman's Courts). In effect, we are acting in the same capacity as an attorney of law. Are we legal experts? Certainly not. Nor have a I come across a Sussex County attorney that IS an expert, hence many of the unresolved issues in Fenwick Island. It is a combination of inexperience and ignorance in the types of civil and criminal cases.

I have seen very little mud slinging from cops on here. Most everything that I have read and posted has been true. in some cases, some of the issues that were pointed out by cops on here have been addressed in Fenwick Island. I know that SOME of the things stated on here have caused much stress within FIPD due to the accuracy of some posts. The OIC has even been shaken up after having the truth publicly posted. Heck, I don't even have to address the fact that some former FIPD officers posted on this wonderful forum using their real names.

It is YOUR responsibility to use the information you have learned on such forums as theses and follow up. Such tangible information can be used for inquiries and follow up investigation by private citizens and the media.

By a concerned cop on Monday, March 31, 2003 - 05:06 pm:

To friend of Fenwick: I have sent a letter to Deputy Attorney General Michael Tupman of Jane Brady's office. I am still waiting for a response. This is due to my concerns of the goings on in the FIPD, especially because I feel there is now no one in the police department who can be trusted. I don't think OIC Hudson and Councilman Henifin have enough integrity to rebuild the department, this was made clear in the past couple of months. Also, even if the new officers are trustworthy, they probably don't know half of what was going on in Fenwick since they are most likely from out of state. They also wouldn't have the power to do anything over the OIC and Henifin. I have suggested to the Attorney General's Office to oversee the rebuilding of the FIPD, this has been succesful in other parts of the Country.

By SERPICO on Tuesday, April 08, 2003 - 10:27 pm:

FOR THOSE NOT FAMILIAR WITH POLICE TRAINING IN DELAWARE. FENWICK ISLAND IS THE ONLY PD THAT HIRES WHAT IS CALLED A ACT 120. THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF OTHER DEPARTMENTS SEND THEIR OFFICERS TO THE DELAWARE STATE POLICE ACADEMY. AN ACT 120 IS CERTIFICATION FROM OTHER STATES THAT DELAWARE ACCEPTS FOR CERTIFICATION. ATTENDING A ONE NIGHT A WEEK CLASS OR A STRICTLY DAY TIME 8-4 ACADEMY DOES NOT CUT IT. I HAVE YET TO SEE ANY CURRENT OR FORMER FENWICK OFFICER THAT COULD MAKE IT THROUGH THE DELAWARE STATE POLICE ACADEMY. WHEN THESE NEW ACT 120 OFFICERS ARRIVE,THEY ARE ONLY REQUIRED TO PASS A 2 WEEK COMPLIANCE COURSE THAT COVERS CRIMINAL LAW AND FIREARMS. I AM NOT A FAN OF THE STATE POLICE, BUT WHEN YOU GRADUATE THEIR ACADEMY YOU LOOK, ACT, AND ARE A "REAL" COP. NO DELAWARE OFFICERS SEEM TO WANT ANY PART OF FENWICK PD. I HOPE THAT PA NEVER RUNS OUT OF "CERTIFIED" OFFICERS OR FENWICK PD WOULD FOLD.

By US Park Cop on Sunday, April 13, 2003 - 05:12 am:

"ACT 120 IS CERTIFICATION FROM OTHER STATES THAT DELAWARE ACCEPTS FOR CERTIFICATION. ATTENDING A ONE NIGHT A WEEK CLASS OR A STRICTLY DAY TIME 8-4 ACADEMY DOES NOT CUT IT."

Actually Act 120 is PA's certification course, quite a few Delaware agencies accept it.

"A STRICTLY DAY TIME 8-4 ACADEMY DOES NOT CUT IT."

Well I went thru a college atmosphere police academy at the Federal LE Training Center and have gotten Delaware certified without any problems. Nothing wrong with a 9-5 course. Ive been patrolling in DC/MD and VA without any problems.

By gumshoe on Sunday, April 13, 2003 - 05:46 pm:

US PARK COP, How many police agencies in Delaware accept Act 120 that you know of? Would you name them. If I was you, I would have to check further into why Fenwick Island has trouble hiring Delaware Certified Police Officers and why they have trouble retaining any police officers.
I've heard how many people are certified in PA and how few police jobs that there are. So there is an influx of PA certifieds looking for work down here and Fenwick hires them.
I am also familiar with the training at FLETC and even though you have received alot of the training that is similar to a regular police academy, your actual work, other than traffic stops, is different from what the regular street officer is accustomed to. Please, I don't mean that in an insulting way. It's just that federal police agencies do not deal as much with the day to day activities, in patrolling, as a town, county or sometimes even a state police officer does.
You may be certified in those states for reciprocity purposes, but your day to day on the job activities are quite different.
In most states, police agencies would prefer hiring a police officer, who has been trained at a police training facility by experienced certified police officers. Delaware police agencies are no different. That's why I would have to question why a Delaware police agency is taking Act 120's from PA.

By SERPICO on Sunday, April 13, 2003 - 07:42 pm:

GUMSHOE HIT IT ON THE HEAD. IN PA AN OFFICER CAN PUT THEMSELVES THROUGH A ACADEMY PRIOR TO BEING HIRED BY A PD. WHETHER ONE NIGHT A WEEK OR 8-4 M-F, THIS SEEMS TO ALLOW ANYONE TO BE CERTIFIED. WHERE IS THE WEEDING OUT OR RIGOROUS SELECTION PROCESS? I HATE TO THINK ABOUT THE LACK OF PHYSICAL AND STRESS TRAINING. I SAID IT BEFORE YOU CAN'T BEAT A 5 MONTH LIVE IN ACADEMY FOR A WELL ROUNDED OFFICER. AS I WROTE EARLIER, FENWICK CAN ONLY GET THE ACT 120 OFFICERS. (040803) NO DELAWARE CERTIFIED OFFICERS WILL WORK THERE. I ONLY KNOW OF ONE DEPARTMENT THAT HIRES THEM OTHER THAN FENWICK. LEWES PD HAS HIRED A FEW EX-FENWICK EMPLOYEES. THE MAJORITY OF DEPARTMENTS WANT DSP OR NEW CASTLE COUNTY CERTIFIED OFFICERS. MAYBE PARK COP SHOULD TALK TO THE 40 + EX -EMPLOYEES THAT HAVE SERVED TIME IN THE PAST 10 YEARS. HIGH TURN OVER USUALLY MEANS BAD ADMINISTRATION OR PERSONNEL. I ALSO HAVE HAD FLETC TRAINING. FEDERAL VS STATE/MUNICIPAL POLICING ARE TWO TOTAL DIFFERENT MINDSETS. GOOD LUCK MAYBE YOU ARE WHAT FENWICK NEEDS. I JUST HOPE WE DON'T HAVE TO ADD YOUR NAME TO THE LIST OF EX'S

By USPP Cop on Tuesday, April 15, 2003 - 05:09 am:

Gumshoe.. As a US Park Police officer, I dealt with patrolling inside DC, acted as a highway patrol officer on several of the highways and am a member of the departments dive team. If your not familiar with our agency, go to the Washington Post and check on articles about us. I understand your thought son most Federal police agencies being "security" as I came from a VA hospital prior to coming over to US park police.

I know of many officers who left USPP to get away from the hubub of City life. Many of the folks I went thru FLETC with are now deputies on the Eastern shore, work as officers with OCPD and the MTA police in MD. Not really about pay too much since all of our assignments in high cost of living areas (we are located in NYC, San Fran and DC). Iam currently stuck on a security detail in the Chicago region.

As far as hiring Act 120 when I lived in PA, I know that Delaware City, Newport and the defunct Edgemoor hired ACT 120 officers. Delaware law is very similar to PA law so Im guessing that is why Delaware depts. hire Act 120.

By gumshoe on Tuesday, April 15, 2003 - 10:04 pm:

US Park Cop, I am very familiar with your work. Have a friend, who use to patrol the B+W Parkway and Rte 197. I did not mean to come across as insulting. Haven't heard too many stories from him, handling domestics or being involved in many crime scenes, unless it was on Federal Property.
Personally, it sounds as though you might be over qualified for FIPD, with all of your experience.

The Town of FI has gone through some turmoil over the past few months involving the former Chief and the Town Council. The Chief is gone, but the same Council will remain in place until the voters voice is heard, in August 2003. It is my belief, that there could be some rough going for a new Chief until then. If you feel up to the challenge, good luck!

You might also want to check out Ocean View PD. It is the up and coming police department in the lower SE area. They are expanding, due to the large area that they continue to encompass. Their officers are highly trained and they have an excellent Chief. Whatever you decide, I wish you well.

ps: SBPD, don't gey your underwear in a knot, I didn't mention you, because you never have any openings.

By Sussex Cop on Thursday, April 17, 2003 - 01:14 am:

FIPD & Act 120

The FIPD has hired roughly 40 plus officers in the last decade. It has, by far, the biggest revolving door in the state of Delaware. The majority of oficers that have been through those doors were Pennsylvania-certified applicants. That's pure fact. The last Delaware trained officers left FIPD around 1993 and 1994.

I attended the Delaware State Police Academy, just like the majority of my fellow neighboring officers. We can attest that there is a major difference between a college-type training atmosphere and a hardcore, military boot camp style training regiment. There are pros and cons to both methods of training.

As for South Bethany, they are the only PD in the state that has not had any turnover since 1991. That doesn't make them a great PD, just a lonely one. That will change soon enough; rumor has it officers are on the move ... so maybe it isn't all that it's cracked up to be. "The grass is always greener ..." But it's certainly, positively, absolutely, without a doubt, 100% got to be better than FIPD!

By jdb19966 on Friday, April 18, 2003 - 05:50 am:

I am currenlty looking for a job. I am a delaware certified police officer and I was recently in gulf for last 9 months due to a national guard deployment and of course the war. I will not be returning to my prior police department. I was wondering if any of you fine sussex county police officers know who is hiring. Can you help a brother out? It sounds like Fenwick Island is out of the question....lol...

By Sussex Cop on Sunday, May 04, 2003 - 11:23 pm:

I hear South Bethany may have a couple of openings in the near future. I also believe Ocean View may be hiring another officer next year. Just a couple things heard in the old rumor mill.

By thinker on Monday, May 05, 2003 - 02:09 pm:

Bergman, Is that you?

By REALGLAD on Tuesday, May 06, 2003 - 05:06 pm:

I AM THE LAST OFFICER TO GO THROUGH THE DELAWARE STATE POLICE ACADEMY FOR FIPD. THAT WAS 1995.

By jdb19966 on Thursday, May 08, 2003 - 04:32 am:

To thinker yes it is..but who are you?? well email me at inv911@aol.com...I am still hoping to find a job when I get back in may. So thanks guys for your help

By Justice on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 11:07 am:

Sussex Cop,
You seem to have some inside info about Fenwick and South Bethany. Sounds like sour grapes. Are you the one leaving for Md?

By Sussex Cop on Friday, May 09, 2003 - 03:26 pm:

Justice,

Everything is a mystery around these message boards! I have worked for my slower lower Sussex PD for many years. The info I post is 100% guaranteed accurate, true and to the point.
It keeps the good cops and citizens informed, and it keeps the bad ones on their toes.
Stay safe.

By Francine on Friday, May 16, 2003 - 01:58 pm:

jbd19966,

Rehoboth Beach has an officer working his last day today. He may have some paid days on the books to burn off, but they usually try to remain filled.

I know little about the situation in Fenwick; however, unfortunately, I do know their department's reputation has not been well-respected among other departments for well over a decade. The only other way that I know an officer could legally work in Delaware other than what has already been brought up here, is to have worked in Delaware as a Seasonal Police Officer within the past 5 years, and to have completed the Seasonal Municipal Police Officer Training at least twice. The officer must have continued working as a police officer since that training. Or the officer may have completed that training for the first time within the past year. Even then, the officer would have to complete firearms and speed enforcement training for Delaware before carrying a firearm or enforcing speed limits. The officer's powers of arrest would be limited from May 1st through September 30th. Special permission has been granted in the past under special circumstances to extend that time. I believe that permission was granted by the DSP Superintendant and Chiefs Council on Police Training. Many officers in years past would begin working for a town, provided that they had that experience and training, until the next DSP academy (which had to begin within 6 months). Some towns would even send their officers there if DSP did not have an academy in the near future, but within 6 months. I don't know if that has been changed. I remember big changes being made in the early 90's. But the above explained practice was still acceptable in the late 90's.

By Midcoaster on Thursday, June 05, 2003 - 12:09 am:

Hello, I have just relocated from Maine to Delaware. I was a reserve police officer in Maine. I am currently looking for a full time police officer position here in Delaware. I was under the impression that the police academy was only residential for State Police recruits. Am I correct to assume, from the information in this thread that the police academy is residential for municipal recruits as well? If so how long is the academy? I was told 24 weeks for State Police; is the academy length the same for municipal as well?

I would appreciate any information that you could give me.

Midcoaster

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